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you're tuned in tonight vision radio

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welcome to night vision radio

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good evening everybody that was a little

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Iron Maiden for you sign of the Cross

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and if you know anything about the

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subject of tonight's show then you might

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guess why I chose that particular song

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we are going to be talking about the

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great cross of on day or hen day as I

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guess the English pronunciation which

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many people use either way you say it

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it's a very fascinating subject but

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we're also going to be talking about a

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new discovery and I have two guests on

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tonight with me tonight you might have

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or you might recognize her from the

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movies because she is an actress but

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she's so much more than that I've come

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to know she's a writer she's a

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researcher and an on-the-ground

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investigator and some of that has come

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to fruition very very recently and we're

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happy to have exclusive information on a

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discovery that she's made and joining me

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is Lara Lamberty hi Lara

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hi ranee who are you from Berlin I might

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say yeah so please accept our apologies

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for the ungodly hour for you but we

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certainly appreciate you getting up for

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us this morning on your Friday morning

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and sharing your news with us it's just

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fantastic its finest I have a lot of

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coffee so that's it's working well I

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woman after my own heart I'm sitting

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here with my coffee mug as well as I

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always do as everybody knows I drink

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coffee all during the show that's the

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way I keep my energy up I guess but

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anyhow also joining us is author Cort

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Lindell and you guys know Kourt he's

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been on before and even recently you've

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seen him in the chat room you guys my

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chat room is you know court and Court is

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joining us tonight to sort of help us

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suss out the history of the great cross

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and some of the families connected to

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its construction and also both Lara and

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court are going to help us with some of

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the so called apocalyptic symbolism on

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the great cross and then also this new

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discovery by Lara of a twin cross not so

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very far

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so first off you know I don't know if

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everyone listening knows about the great

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cross of our day but it's sort of been

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getting a lot of attention over the last

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few years particularly because a lot of

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people felt that an alchemist named

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Falcon alley who had provided

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information about the great cross was

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pointing to some sort of great

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apocalyptic event something that would

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be approaching from the sky and destroy

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or destroy the world cause the end of

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the world or the end of time as they say

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I've also heard that this cross is

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connected to or points to and maybe

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Laura or Court can help me out with this

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a clock and on a church in Cornwall

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England which has the inscription watch

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and pray time Haste's away and that is

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supposedly another indicator that time

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is disappearing that time is ending so

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this is what we're looking into today

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the sort of decoding of the great cross

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who there's been some people that have

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done some whitener and Vincent have done

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some great work in that area we've had

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information in the past on the cross but

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mind how did your interest in this

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particular location spring up and how

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did you happen to find yourself in that

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village well I actually came from the

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longer dock I was travelling through the

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longer dock which is something I wanted

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to do for a long time to see relish at

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all and especially in Montsegur because

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by all these subjects and I happened to

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be in Marseilles for personal reasons

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for privates

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family and then I expressed the wish to

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go and I had said to call that this

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might happen and had offered him also to

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take some pictures for his latest book

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so I went and so I went through the

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longer dog did my stuff and then went

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and from handy which I knew actually

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from 2012 and all the the good

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predictions for the end of the world it

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necessarily popped up in 2012 because of

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what canalis prediction for the end of

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the world and I wanted to see this cross

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I'm a non believer in the apocalypse or

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let's say apocalyptic predictions in

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this way but I found it very interesting

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also because nobody has been able up to

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now to really decipher clearly without

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any doubt what this means so being there

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I really wanted to see it

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and you know I've heard people say and I

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have not been to that site now I'm going

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to be back in France hopefully in

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September but actually maybe sooner

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might be flying over to do an interview

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for television a documentary series over

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there but and I'm hoping I get a chance

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to go and if I do I'm gonna shoot down

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and see that site but I've heard people

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say when they actually see it that it's

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not that large that they they're kind of

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expecting this gigantic you know

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overpowering thing and it's actually

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just maybe three or four feet high yeah

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I have to count this in meters

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oh sure looks like a meter and a half or

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something maybe the cross is higher it's

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a it's about 10 feet to 12 yeah about 3

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meters or 4 meters yeah yeah oh maybe it

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was 3 or 4 meters that I heard instead

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of 3 or 4 feet yeah but does it does it

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seem like a sort of ominous presence or

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how did you feel that it did you did it

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evoke any kind of feeling when you were

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there well that's difficult to say

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because when you go there and you have

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already all this input then of course it

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does I mean but what is strange is that

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is kind of pace it to the church wall

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which is not its original place as I

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and you can't actually really well see

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the backside of the cross so it stands

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there it has something like like an an

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impressive presence it is something

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special you you see this and you feel

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this but the location is as a little I

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mean it's there you know it's at this

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church wall it was supposed to be on a

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symmetry it was before because usually

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the Basques cemeteries are surround the

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churches and sent Vincent which is the

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church where this cross belongs to and

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it's no longer like this there was

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something built around and so they they

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placed the cross and in a different

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place and this is what you feel when you

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see it and in the the symbols on it

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they're either some Mayan symbology and

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in other symbology that seems to sort of

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all fit together in some strange way but

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sections or something that all go

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together I'm not sure about that but

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anything from the from the symbols or

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already by the time you got there it was

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interesting I had of course read the

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book of day white NER and I saw his

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video he made a little movie made about

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the alchemy a question and I also read

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for Canali so of course I was prepared

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concerning the interpretation the

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symbolism of course you stand in front

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of this cross and the first thing you

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wonder about is why this inscription on

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the cross there's on the backside the SS

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INRI inscription and then there's this o

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crooks re inscription on the front and

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you wonder why Henry the Henry the I NRA

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ascription wouldn't be on the front also

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of course the basement the first thing

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you see is the Sun at the so called

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angry Sun face and the first thing if

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you have ever seen

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in the inca depictions of the sun it

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totally reminds you to this I mean you

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see it anything it can't can't be by

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chance that is so similar so these are

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the first impressions mmm that's amazing

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thank you and court if you would please

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when was this cross constructed and by

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whom the first cross the great cross

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upon day and then we'll get Laura's

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discovery all right well no one really

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knows for sure but that the clues are in

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the early 17th century there's a sundial

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associated at st. Vincent's also that

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has the date of 1642 on it in the

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sundial has a Sun face on it as well so

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whether I think the Weidner and Burgess

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said around 1680 so it it's obviously

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somewhere in that range which is kind of

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prior to some of the later theories

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about people who may be associated with

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the cross in the 18th and 19th century

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as well but my take on it was that the

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symbols on the cross were a metaphor for

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navigation and this was after of course

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hearing Nicholas a would just you

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briefly comment on your show a few years

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ago that you could take compass bearings

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from it and that this is something that

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I had already been working with but the

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shapes of the buildings indicated these

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same directions so the cross of on day

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is kind of unique that you have to kind

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of from my view solve what the symbols

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mean and apply them to the art of

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navigation which in mystery of the

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cathedrals by Falk and le there's also

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several references to pilgrims and

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pilots and the value of the Polestar

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which is valuable in navigating and it

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because you have to orient yourself that

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you're north to figure out the other

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directions even if you're using a

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compass or other stars or celestial

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bodies to do that so it made perfect

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sense to me but I had looked at it for a

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long time and didn't even think it had

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anything to do with navigation because

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my mindset was well it has to be an

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octagon or a hexagon or a pentagram or

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some other geometric shape that suggests

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the the directions with regard to true

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north so it took me a while to come

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around to that but then when I plotted

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the directions I did find some amazing

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things including it pointing very nearer

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to the new cross that Laura found hmm

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well that is really interesting so Laura

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you were down there now did you plan to

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to go see the first cross already or

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were you down there because you had gone

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down there to do some photographs for

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quartz book in it I went there to see

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the cross and to do the pictures of the

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cross I see and then how was it were you

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that you discovered you know some

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information that led you to the second

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cross I mean what how exactly did that

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work because I know often times it's

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it's not easy to get information in

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these places well we were told before

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that except tourists nobody would

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actually talk about the cross and

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Hyundai of course not the second one

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because we didn't even know it existed

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and even not about the cross of Hyundai

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and in fact we were actually the only

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people to care about it on that Saturday

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which was the Saturday of Pentecost and

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the church was closed nobody was there

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it was very cold and we were running

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around trying to get someone to open the

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church for us which we also achieved and

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so while waiting for the priest we

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entered a crapper II and had something

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to you know had some coffee and there

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were a few local people and we started

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talking to these people they it has to

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be underlined absolutely that this is

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the Basque Country because it's very

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it's a very particular place and we felt

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when we started talking to these people

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and it came to the cross there

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you know when you feel that people have

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something in common that they wouldn't

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talk about they they were like very

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interested that we were interested but

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they wouldn't say anything and they were

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looking at either each other there was

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this woman and a guy sitting on the

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background and also the guy who was

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serving at the tables and then when they

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found out that we would talk about

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alchemy and all this then they opened up

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a little more and so we got more

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information from them and at the end the

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woman we were talking to she said as we

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talked us about the the guy in the

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background actually said there are three

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crosses and then he mentioned the one in

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Peru that has also been mentioned by a

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whitener and then the woman said there's

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actually a second one here in the in the

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Basque Country and it's not far away and

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of course we said we want to see it and

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she said I don't actually know where it

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is but it's about the part of san jaun

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Toulouse which is about 15 minutes from

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hen day and so we went to that

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particular place of course we didn't

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find and we had to drive around a little

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bit and ask people and finally found it

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on the cemetery of the Church of st.

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Martin in Ansari

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which is also called Sarah in now in

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Basque or in Spanish would it would be

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Sarah and there it stood right at the

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entrance of the cemetery cross that

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looks like cross of Hyundai but when you

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look closer to it it doesn't have the

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same I mean it has the same structure

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the four aids are in the in the front

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the Cross is naked it's nothing a no

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inscription and the basement there the

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other three parts there's nothing as

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well and it looks as if it hadn't been

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finished hmm and that was in a town

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called Sarah yes staff in French is ar e

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oh that's interesting there there's a

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there's a little village called seer

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that's right out you know near Rennes le

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Chateau a sort of above allit I think if

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about my directions right but it's si

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why are a very very interesting and very

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very old old side I don't know if you've

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been up there yes yes I saw that yeah it

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was there it's oh I'm sorry I'm thinking

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of sands sell there and then there is

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Sarah's church but that spelled ser re s

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yes another important location

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yeah but sense of air yeah that's a

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different place but it has some very

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interesting features that are very very

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old and kind of undated kind of

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reminding me a bit of this cross that we

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don't exactly know when it was made

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now court you found that there were some

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families that were involved in in this

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cross or the building of this cross that

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are connected with other families that

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have created or the same families that

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created structures sort of around the

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world that seemed to point to each other

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in one way or another can you tell us

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about the people that are connected with

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this location well well that they they

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at least appreciate the cross where some

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of their for earlier family members may

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have been involved in arranging these

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two or placing them in the churchyard as

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Laura said they were probably originally

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in the graveyards right adjacent to the

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church and you'll see the same thing in

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Sarah as well and the Sarah is the

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Basque name for the town even though in

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French it's spelled sa re the Basque all

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it's our honor it's pronounced very

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similar but but that's interesting as

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well no one would be led to believe in

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on day of a nearby Chateau a body of

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Antoine

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bhadiya who is a famous geographer

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cartographer

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naturalist and that seems to fit a

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pattern of a lot of the people will see

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involved here in astronomer let's not

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forget that as well because chato Abadi

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uh was built as an observatory and this

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was amazing to me because I did not even

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know that and as I as I began to develop

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you know my theories about the Axis

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Mundi I the part of that is that an

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ephemeris or Starlog would be collected

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to make this a valuable point because

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then that would then allow you to

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compare that position to other places on

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the earth where an ephemeris that are

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also been collected so this is the kind

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of knowledge that somebody who's

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familiar with astronomy or astrology may

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you know gain some technical expertise

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and theorized that this could be done

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and and also assign pertinent directions

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for it in the shape of an octagon or

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hexagon or some other geometric shape

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that would suggest a direction as such

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so we see it was really interesting

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because I found this out about on day

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and the de Body family and then as I I

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was really studying a whole separate

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realm of information in the Kirkwall

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scroll and Scotland and discovered

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excuse me James Bruce had a travel to

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Ethiopia and discovered original copies

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of the Book of Enoch and and the

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Ethiopian Book of Kings known as the

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Kebra Nagast and brought them back and

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he was also later involved in defining

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what's known as the pista Sophia from

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documents that he obtained in Alexandria

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and this is all in the late 1700s or

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18th century so as I'd studied Antoine

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de body I saw that he you know one of

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the descriptions I read that was he he

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had James Bruce's

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book next to his bed and I might add

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that James Bruce is a descendant of

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Robert the Bruce I knew you were gonna

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say that all right

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so that's what's really interesting

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about him finding these manuscripts in

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Ethiopia as well that's that is really

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interesting because of the Templar

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presence in Lalibela and all well all

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through there right where the theorized

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to in that night that the Ark of the

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Covenant was taken there right and also

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the form of Christianity they have there

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is a little similar to Greek Orthodox

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which uses very similar symbols to the

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Templars as well but then you have

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Antoine and his brother Arnaud traveling

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to Ethiopia in the footsteps of James

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burrs and and even some of the books and

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academic writings of Antoine are about

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fixing your position on the earth and

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geo desi defining the shape of the earth

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and really if you study him and the

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people he was associated with here comes

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alexander von humboldt again the person

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that i had associated with thomas

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jefferson who also seems to be part of

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this this group of people and antoine

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was associated with everybody at the

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paris observatory his mentor was arauco

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oh wow

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the man you see aliens that they're on

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the paris meridian that's exactly and

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also if this links us back to some of

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the mysteries of rain lashed a toe via

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the perio s-- there some people

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theorized that imperio sinned near the

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coast down there and in southern france

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that is may be associated with rain

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lashed a toe but what's interesting

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about that is the involvement of the

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cassini family who were the directors of

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the path servitor e4 yeah can the father

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and son as well and the son was actually

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born there in the Paris observatory but

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you know this whole thing if I could

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just pop in real quick sure this whole

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thing with the Observatory connection it

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sort of lends itself a little bit to

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this idea of watching something coming

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from the sky but it also lends itself to

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this idea of navigation that you're

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talking about correct in the Cassini's

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we know that because

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any space probe shower is named for that

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family and what's really interesting

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about the Paris Observatory is that of

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course the Paris Meridian runs directly

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north south from that point and through

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that point but the linear mall or array

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of the observatory points a little bit

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to the south west and does not point

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straight north and south and if you draw

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an arc on the globe the direction that

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the Paris observatory point points it

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leads directly to Montserrat Spain Oh

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interesting yes which is one of the of

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course fabled locations of the quote

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Holy Grail that's right

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so these men they're either playing a

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big game with us or they know something

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you know they they're they might just be

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creating a path of initiation for us

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that that Laura went through and they

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kill are by the way I put out a call on

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Facebook if anybody was traveling to

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these places to please take some

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pictures for me and she was kind enough

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to share her pictures with me so thank

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you you have been working together a

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little bit but you've never spoken

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actually is that correct yeah I've just

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messaged back and forth on face oh she's

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read some of the things that I've

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written and things like that and thought

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it made sense I hope I saw the videos he

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always published and I really liked his

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work and will find it very interesting

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and so if you wrote him and then it's so

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I thought the call for the pictures yeah

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and then I discovered when Kourt was

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telling me about you Lara that we were

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already Facebook friends so I guess we

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must have a lot of common friends and

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common interest and I think that's how

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this whole thing works really well and I

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think that's the way I don't think it's

519
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going to be some big treasure hunter

520
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that goes out there and finds all the

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answers I think it's going to be a lot

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of us around the world sort of teaming

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up where we need to as you and Kourt did

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you know Kourt couldn't get there but

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you were there on the ground and you're

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able to

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to give him a little piece of the puzzle

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and then in doing so you ended up making

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a big discovery which we're going to get

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into a little bit more of right after

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the break we're going to take a quick

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break and when we come back we're going

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to hear more from Mara Lamberty in court

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Lindo about the great cross at on day or

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hen day however you prefer and it's twin

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in nearby Sara so please stay with us

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welcome back to night vision radio if

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you're just joining us we are talking

602
00:30:10,090 --> 00:30:07,370
with author researcher Laura Lombardi

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00:30:11,980 --> 00:30:10,100
and Arthur researcher court Lindell and

604
00:30:15,340 --> 00:30:11,990
we've been speaking about the great

605
00:30:18,790 --> 00:30:15,350
cross and on de France and a twin cross

606
00:30:22,780 --> 00:30:18,800
that Laura has discovered just recently

607
00:30:25,090 --> 00:30:22,790
just weeks ago in nearby sera France

608
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:25,100
which is very interesting the name Sarah

609
00:30:29,470 --> 00:30:27,410
kind of conjures up a lot of things but

610
00:30:32,110 --> 00:30:29,480
also Laura during the break you were

611
00:30:36,900 --> 00:30:32,120
talking about the name of on day or hen

612
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:36,910
day and what it means and the different

613
00:30:42,550 --> 00:30:39,370
pronunciations and spellings of the word

614
00:30:46,210 --> 00:30:42,560
can you share a little bit of that with

615
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:46,220
the listeners of course yes and ayah is

616
00:30:55,990 --> 00:30:52,330
written also a and D a why a and the the

617
00:30:58,080 --> 00:30:56,000
the Basques I think it's more than I do

618
00:30:59,440 --> 00:30:58,090
everything these the Spanish people

619
00:31:01,540 --> 00:30:59,450
right

620
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:01,550
I think write it like this and they they

621
00:31:10,210 --> 00:31:04,810
pronounce like this and ayah and it does

622
00:31:16,030 --> 00:31:10,220
recall the ants and yeah and it's kind

623
00:31:19,710 --> 00:31:16,040
of similar mmm yes and then now is this

624
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:19,720
on you you mentioned pilgrims passed

625
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:24,970
court earlier is this on the path to

626
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:27,410
Santiago de Compostela or some other

627
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:28,490
pilgrims path

628
00:31:34,450 --> 00:31:31,610
yes excuse me again yes it is on one of

629
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:34,460
the the branch routes that go there and

630
00:31:40,090 --> 00:31:37,730
and if in Falken le he speaks about

631
00:31:47,380 --> 00:31:40,100
especially in the chapter of the palace

632
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:47,390
of jacques or how the any adept must

633
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:49,730
become familiar with all of the secrets

634
00:31:55,270 --> 00:31:52,250
of the camino or the way of st. james

635
00:31:58,660 --> 00:31:55,280
pilgrimage route yes so there's a lot of

636
00:32:01,630 --> 00:31:58,670
lore concerning that that that's

637
00:32:03,490 --> 00:32:01,640
involved with that and what really what

638
00:32:07,990 --> 00:32:03,500
it was terribly interesting given all of

639
00:32:11,050 --> 00:32:08,000
that if you examine the involvement of

640
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:11,060
the concept of Santiago and all of the

641
00:32:15,550 --> 00:32:12,410
lore and mythology the

642
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:15,560
associated with that that the st.

643
00:32:20,710 --> 00:32:17,210
Martin's there right next to the new

644
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:20,720
cross that Lara found is oriented to

645
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:22,850
point an arc on the globe directly to

646
00:32:31,260 --> 00:32:27,370
the Cathedral of Santiago de Compostela

647
00:32:33,910 --> 00:32:31,270
I'm just so quite a coincidence there

648
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:33,920
and that's interesting and also you were

649
00:32:37,810 --> 00:32:35,570
speaking of the inscription on the

650
00:32:40,660 --> 00:32:37,820
church with the clock in England that

651
00:32:42,490 --> 00:32:40,670
Nicholas had spoken of there is a

652
00:32:45,910 --> 00:32:42,500
similar inscription that I can't

653
00:32:50,290 --> 00:32:45,920
remember word-for-word on the st.

654
00:32:52,570 --> 00:32:50,300
Martin's there and Sarah as well so it's

655
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:52,580
kind of you know we need to get Nicholas

656
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:55,490
in here at some point as well and pick

657
00:33:00,730 --> 00:32:57,650
his brain about that once more but yeah

658
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:00,740
right but that that's really bored of

659
00:33:07,330 --> 00:33:03,250
the only directional things I found

660
00:33:09,310 --> 00:33:07,340
there that that may apply because it's

661
00:33:11,620 --> 00:33:09,320
so close to the other cross that on a

662
00:33:15,250 --> 00:33:11,630
large scale really the places that would

663
00:33:17,500 --> 00:33:15,260
point would be so little different than

664
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:17,510
the original one that I figured there

665
00:33:22,980 --> 00:33:19,850
has to be a different purpose for this

666
00:33:25,420 --> 00:33:22,990
one and really it's located near Lauren

667
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:25,430
one of the sacred mountains of the

668
00:33:31,650 --> 00:33:28,130
Basque and it's very close to the border

669
00:33:33,730 --> 00:33:31,660
with Spain and there's just lots of

670
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:33,740
interesting things you can read about

671
00:33:39,340 --> 00:33:36,730
Sarah with all kinds of famous

672
00:33:42,340 --> 00:33:39,350
politicians and personalities over the

673
00:33:44,170 --> 00:33:42,350
centuries visiting they're true so there

674
00:33:47,410 --> 00:33:44,180
may be something more to it we don't

675
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:47,420
know but it could be family-oriented

676
00:33:51,550 --> 00:33:49,370
like with this group of people we were

677
00:33:53,860 --> 00:33:51,560
talking about before so there's a lot

678
00:33:57,070 --> 00:33:53,870
still a lot up in the air but we're

679
00:33:59,410 --> 00:33:57,080
we're making some headway here yeah it

680
00:34:03,760 --> 00:33:59,420
was so it was also interesting is that

681
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:03,770
the Basque people interpret the way they

682
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:07,130
interpret the this the the way the

683
00:34:12,730 --> 00:34:09,770
second Cross is situated because of the

684
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:12,740
the front part of the cross they say

685
00:34:17,140 --> 00:34:15,290
that actually the the original front

686
00:34:22,750 --> 00:34:17,150
part of the cross the cross of Hyundai

687
00:34:24,610 --> 00:34:22,760
was probably transported in three in its

688
00:34:25,260 --> 00:34:24,620
three parrots I don't know how they did

689
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:25,270
it but they

690
00:34:31,290 --> 00:34:28,570
they say that the parts don't fit

691
00:34:34,980 --> 00:34:31,300
together anymore like that at once and

692
00:34:38,909 --> 00:34:34,990
they interpret the way the the the sour

693
00:34:41,580 --> 00:34:38,919
cross is placed as the actual way the

694
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:41,590
hand a cross was was was was combined

695
00:34:47,430 --> 00:34:44,050
also which would mean that the a face

696
00:34:49,470 --> 00:34:47,440
this part where the four A's are which

697
00:34:52,020 --> 00:34:49,480
is now looking to the side where

698
00:34:55,139 --> 00:34:52,030
actually was the front and head above

699
00:34:58,890 --> 00:34:55,149
the INRI ascription inscription and

700
00:35:02,280 --> 00:34:58,900
today it's what what is the front part

701
00:35:06,060 --> 00:35:02,290
would be the Sun face and it has the o

702
00:35:09,060 --> 00:35:06,070
crooks of a inscription above it so it

703
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:09,070
would have been turned and seeing the

704
00:35:18,060 --> 00:35:13,810
serif the the Sarah cross you have the

705
00:35:20,790 --> 00:35:18,070
the only face the only part of the base

706
00:35:26,430 --> 00:35:20,800
which has the carvings in it is the the

707
00:35:28,980 --> 00:35:26,440
the four A's are they carved in the same

708
00:35:30,870 --> 00:35:28,990
way those forays that they are on the

709
00:35:33,690 --> 00:35:30,880
original cross because aren't the

710
00:35:36,090 --> 00:35:33,700
unusual-looking don't the cross bars of

711
00:35:39,180 --> 00:35:36,100
the A's are at a diagonal rather than

712
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:39,190
straight across is that I've just read

713
00:35:47,850 --> 00:35:45,130
the description so no no they the S on

714
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:47,860
the the original cross are kind of in a

715
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:50,290
traditional Basque font that resembles

716
00:35:56,370 --> 00:35:54,010
the auspice of Moorea symbol au which

717
00:35:58,770 --> 00:35:56,380
has the am but on the new cross that

718
00:36:01,950 --> 00:35:58,780
Laura found they're just a regular a

719
00:36:03,690 --> 00:36:01,960
with a straight crossbar but what's one

720
00:36:06,500 --> 00:36:03,700
of the things that was interesting in

721
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:06,510
the pictures that that Laura took was

722
00:36:12,660 --> 00:36:10,450
this oval shape and and you know a lot

723
00:36:14,670 --> 00:36:12,670
of the people who analyzed the cross say

724
00:36:17,460 --> 00:36:14,680
this represents the world and then it's

725
00:36:20,850 --> 00:36:17,470
divided into four segments instead of

726
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:20,860
being a circle which is a common you

727
00:36:26,130 --> 00:36:23,890
know alchemical symbol for Terra that

728
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:26,140
has that cross in it that resembles a

729
00:36:32,190 --> 00:36:28,450
Greek cross with each side being even

730
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:32,200
this one's oval instead and really that

731
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:34,210
that could be another connection back to

732
00:36:38,940 --> 00:36:37,450
our geographers who spend a lot of time

733
00:36:42,450 --> 00:36:38,950
especially the Cassini

734
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:42,460
is doing astronomical experiments to

735
00:36:47,460 --> 00:36:44,770
prove the actual shape of the earth and

736
00:36:49,620 --> 00:36:47,470
we know that the actual shape of the

737
00:36:52,020 --> 00:36:49,630
earth is a little more egg-shaped just

738
00:36:55,109 --> 00:36:52,030
not that you could tell visually I think

739
00:36:58,859 --> 00:36:55,119
it's six miles over each pole longer

740
00:37:00,900 --> 00:36:58,869
than around the equator and that may be

741
00:37:03,690 --> 00:37:00,910
what they're representing there that

742
00:37:06,720 --> 00:37:03,700
they know this as well already so it's

743
00:37:09,349 --> 00:37:06,730
pointing to an advanced degree of of geo

744
00:37:14,069 --> 00:37:09,359
desi navigation astronomy in astrology

745
00:37:15,930 --> 00:37:14,079
as early as the 17th century and we know

746
00:37:18,750 --> 00:37:15,940
it really it goes way farther back than

747
00:37:21,599 --> 00:37:18,760
that but if it's associated with the

748
00:37:25,349 --> 00:37:21,609
Cassini's and this group of people like

749
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:25,359
alexander von humboldt are ago and the

750
00:37:29,870 --> 00:37:28,210
de bodies then this could be what

751
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:29,880
they're showing us or what they

752
00:37:33,810 --> 00:37:32,290
interpreted from seeing this as well

753
00:37:37,380 --> 00:37:33,820
they might have saw this and said oh

754
00:37:40,650 --> 00:37:37,390
look this person knew that made that

755
00:37:43,530 --> 00:37:40,660
built these yeah you know what was I was

756
00:37:46,740 --> 00:37:43,540
thinking about it today and I was on the

757
00:37:49,740 --> 00:37:46,750
phone with with Gloria Amendola and we

758
00:37:52,790 --> 00:37:49,750
were just talking about this subject and

759
00:37:57,329 --> 00:37:52,800
others as we often do just get off on a

760
00:37:59,910 --> 00:37:57,339
big gap fest about and sort of and I was

761
00:38:02,099 --> 00:37:59,920
telling her and saying I try to now look

762
00:38:04,770 --> 00:38:02,109
at things differently than I used to

763
00:38:07,050 --> 00:38:04,780
it's like I try not to look at the

764
00:38:10,050 --> 00:38:07,060
obvious answer and sometimes I try to

765
00:38:12,510 --> 00:38:10,060
look at the opposite answer it's like a

766
00:38:17,250 --> 00:38:12,520
lot of things have been it's sort of

767
00:38:20,599 --> 00:38:17,260
this idea of sort of dualism and mirrors

768
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:20,609
and you know things in Reverse and

769
00:38:27,420 --> 00:38:23,290
reflections of things it seems to

770
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:27,430
permeate this whole mystery and so

771
00:38:34,410 --> 00:38:29,530
there's also been a lot of sort of

772
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:34,420
deception by whatever powers that be you

773
00:38:41,130 --> 00:38:37,930
know for their own purposes and gain so

774
00:38:43,230 --> 00:38:41,140
I try to look at the opposite side of

775
00:38:49,650 --> 00:38:43,240
the coin and when I hear people talking

776
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:49,660
about the the cross that on day being an

777
00:38:54,770 --> 00:38:51,690
apocalyptic

778
00:38:57,260 --> 00:38:54,780
message about a forthcoming you know

779
00:39:00,700 --> 00:38:57,270
disaster that's going to hit us from the

780
00:39:05,900 --> 00:39:00,710
sky and wipe out the earth and all time

781
00:39:09,170 --> 00:39:05,910
I try to think now if that's not the

782
00:39:11,599 --> 00:39:09,180
right message is there someone that

783
00:39:14,510 --> 00:39:11,609
would want us to have that message and

784
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:14,520
it's really the opposite and could the

785
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:18,410
opposite be something like we are

786
00:39:25,220 --> 00:39:22,410
advancing as human beings so that at

787
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:25,230
some point there is going to be a huge

788
00:39:32,690 --> 00:39:28,290
apocalypse which basically is a Greek

789
00:39:37,430 --> 00:39:32,700
word which means revelation and that in

790
00:39:39,380 --> 00:39:37,440
that that all these systems you know are

791
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:39,390
going to be shaken and destroyed some of

792
00:39:44,329 --> 00:39:41,970
them maybe government some of maybe you

793
00:39:46,839 --> 00:39:44,339
know Church structure you know different

794
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:46,849
things like that so that may be a

795
00:39:53,420 --> 00:39:49,410
disaster to whoever is sending this

796
00:39:56,839 --> 00:39:53,430
message might not be a disaster for the

797
00:39:59,900 --> 00:39:56,849
rest of the world population and you

798
00:40:02,660 --> 00:39:59,910
know I agree with Lera that I don't

799
00:40:04,849 --> 00:40:02,670
think it has really to do with you know

800
00:40:06,380 --> 00:40:04,859
we're gonna all die obviously it didn't

801
00:40:09,770 --> 00:40:06,390
mean we were going to die in 2012

802
00:40:11,450 --> 00:40:09,780
because we didn't so I mean either one

803
00:40:14,450 --> 00:40:11,460
of you have any thoughts about that I

804
00:40:16,130 --> 00:40:14,460
mean these are just you know opinions

805
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:16,140
you know that I was just discussing

806
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:19,650
today about this idea right that

807
00:40:23,930 --> 00:40:21,450
sometimes you look at the opposite

808
00:40:29,089 --> 00:40:23,940
message is that have you found that at

809
00:40:31,490 --> 00:40:29,099
all to be worthy of of any thought but

810
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:31,500
on one hand I agree with you that there

811
00:40:37,579 --> 00:40:34,890
could be an opposite message and there's

812
00:40:40,190 --> 00:40:37,589
I've always thought that there are many

813
00:40:42,740 --> 00:40:40,200
people who are interested in selling us

814
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:42,750
this apocalypse thing is something that

815
00:40:50,660 --> 00:40:45,810
is threatening us and therefore we have

816
00:40:54,349 --> 00:40:50,670
to be to behave in this or that way we

817
00:40:56,450 --> 00:40:54,359
have been manipulated always this is

818
00:40:58,250 --> 00:40:56,460
also something interesting and that is

819
00:41:03,859 --> 00:40:58,260
mentioned in the book the gods of Eden

820
00:41:04,970 --> 00:41:03,869
of what's-his-name is that Erich von

821
00:41:09,859 --> 00:41:04,980
Daniken

822
00:41:11,900 --> 00:41:09,869
no no that is some the COTS of feet and

823
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:11,910
I'm gonna tell you right now God to be

824
00:41:26,690 --> 00:41:22,410
him we have the energy umbrella it's

825
00:41:29,330 --> 00:41:26,700
just it must be the time and he he is of

826
00:41:30,859 --> 00:41:29,340
the opinion this is a book I don't know

827
00:41:35,720 --> 00:41:30,869
if you read it but it's something that

828
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:35,730
talks about the influence of secret

829
00:41:44,380 --> 00:41:39,570
societies and their origins they would

830
00:41:49,550 --> 00:41:44,390
have an ancient aliens or Anunnaki

831
00:41:51,710 --> 00:41:49,560
influenced a long time ago you but the

832
00:41:53,450 --> 00:41:51,720
interesting aspect you don't have to be

833
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:53,460
you don't have to believe in the

834
00:41:58,070 --> 00:41:55,890
Anunnaki story which is very many people

835
00:42:02,060 --> 00:41:58,080
do other people don't but what is very

836
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:02,070
interesting is his interpretation of why

837
00:42:06,470 --> 00:42:04,650
we are always told that there will be an

838
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:06,480
apocalypse and he thinks that it's just

839
00:42:12,530 --> 00:42:09,330
to manipulate us and make us go in one

840
00:42:14,870 --> 00:42:12,540
way or the other and that this must be

841
00:42:17,450 --> 00:42:14,880
done forever I think you know a lot of

842
00:42:19,220 --> 00:42:17,460
you know through the centuries you know

843
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:19,230
a lot of the system's whether it be

844
00:42:24,710 --> 00:42:20,970
governments or religions or whatever

845
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:24,720
have sort of had a ruling by fear thing

846
00:42:31,490 --> 00:42:26,970
you know if they can get you scared of

847
00:42:35,060 --> 00:42:31,500
either you know being attacked by the

848
00:42:38,270 --> 00:42:35,070
enemy country or by you know being

849
00:42:40,970 --> 00:42:38,280
attacked by the aliens or by going to

850
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:40,980
hell then you know they've kind of got

851
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:43,290
you if they say oh in order to save

852
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:45,090
yourself you know we can help you you

853
00:42:52,910 --> 00:42:50,010
can do this I think that that is sort of

854
00:42:55,099 --> 00:42:52,920
a manipulation like you said a way to

855
00:42:58,180 --> 00:42:55,109
manipulate people is to keep them in

856
00:43:02,450 --> 00:42:58,190
fear and that sort of been our history

857
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:02,460
unfortunately so it's like it's always

858
00:43:05,930 --> 00:43:04,170
good I think to look at the other side

859
00:43:08,540 --> 00:43:05,940
of the coin and say okay what's the

860
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:08,550
opposite message here just in case you

861
00:43:13,460 --> 00:43:11,130
know I might be missing something right

862
00:43:15,950 --> 00:43:13,470
it's a good way to even hide things and

863
00:43:18,630 --> 00:43:15,960
hide concepts and through time there's

864
00:43:21,180 --> 00:43:18,640
always been very intelligent people that

865
00:43:24,030 --> 00:43:21,190
can arrange things that would dumbfound

866
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:24,040
the rest of us you know there's a look

867
00:43:28,350 --> 00:43:26,410
through history that's there and and we

868
00:43:30,030 --> 00:43:28,360
also if you read the mystery of the

869
00:43:32,510 --> 00:43:30,040
cathedrals you have to also remember

870
00:43:36,330 --> 00:43:32,520
that this is Falken Ellie's

871
00:43:38,870 --> 00:43:36,340
interpretation yeah he doesn't know any

872
00:43:42,810 --> 00:43:38,880
more than we do who left this there and

873
00:43:44,940 --> 00:43:42,820
so he may not be 100% right himself even

874
00:43:47,610 --> 00:43:44,950
though he's a depth of an organization

875
00:43:50,340 --> 00:43:47,620
that values this kind of thing so do we

876
00:43:53,310 --> 00:43:50,350
even know who folk folk anout it Volken

877
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:53,320
le really was I mean no he was an L no

878
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:55,810
no that was not his real name I don't

879
00:43:59,250 --> 00:43:57,010
believe was it Baro

880
00:44:01,710 --> 00:43:59,260
he could even know he could even be more

881
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:01,720
people that's not just one person but

882
00:44:06,690 --> 00:44:04,330
maybe he came out of some laws or some

883
00:44:09,240 --> 00:44:06,700
Brotherhood or whatever he could have

884
00:44:12,860 --> 00:44:09,250
had his own again they're in this Shore

885
00:44:15,930 --> 00:44:12,870
Horace but another piece of propaganda

886
00:44:19,470 --> 00:44:15,940
in this group of intellectuals that I

887
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:19,480
was referring to possibly so work but

888
00:44:23,970 --> 00:44:21,610
what I find interesting is that when I

889
00:44:26,610 --> 00:44:23,980
went to relish Chateau and the same on

890
00:44:33,060 --> 00:44:26,620
the same trip and I went to the church

891
00:44:37,530 --> 00:44:33,070
or where the church in the redness at

892
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:37,540
all there was a cross in the garden and

893
00:44:43,110 --> 00:44:41,050
it also has the inscription Oak Brook

894
00:44:46,230 --> 00:44:43,120
Ave which I found interesting because

895
00:44:47,730 --> 00:44:46,240
actually the the original caught baby

896
00:44:49,620 --> 00:44:47,740
you know better than me but this or

897
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:49,630
crooks are they is something that the CP

898
00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:52,690
is used but it's not actually or crooks

899
00:45:00,900 --> 00:44:57,610
Ave it's are the crooks something like

900
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:00,910
that the the year the words actually not

901
00:45:07,460 --> 00:45:05,770
in the same sequence well on the on day

902
00:45:10,530 --> 00:45:07,470
cross yeah they look slightly different

903
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:10,540
now they both refer to a way of the

904
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:13,090
cross which could mean that you may have

905
00:45:19,530 --> 00:45:15,970
to follow or something to if you take a

906
00:45:26,070 --> 00:45:19,540
you know an alternate interpretation of

907
00:45:27,660 --> 00:45:26,080
it follow the cross yes it's actually so

908
00:45:30,750 --> 00:45:27,670
it's actually our becrux

909
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:30,760
space Anika is the actual sentence so

910
00:45:36,870 --> 00:45:32,290
this all crooks are they

911
00:45:39,330 --> 00:45:36,880
is something particular it suggested

912
00:45:41,070 --> 00:45:39,340
exactly of something and I find this

913
00:45:43,140 --> 00:45:41,080
interesting when you're when Renier when

914
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:43,150
you said revelation and apocalypse means

915
00:45:50,910 --> 00:45:47,410
revelation because I tried to find any

916
00:45:54,750 --> 00:45:50,920
connection between the the mystery of

917
00:45:57,450 --> 00:45:54,760
Hyundai and the rest of my of my trip

918
00:45:59,310 --> 00:45:57,460
through the hungry dog which has such a

919
00:46:02,070 --> 00:45:59,320
big story and when I found the

920
00:46:05,130 --> 00:46:02,080
subscription I wondered what actually

921
00:46:09,270 --> 00:46:05,140
might soon year have found in Rhenish at

922
00:46:11,910 --> 00:46:09,280
all that was it really something that

923
00:46:13,530 --> 00:46:11,920
was it was in anyway to be connected to

924
00:46:15,810 --> 00:46:13,540
the Holy Grail or did he find some

925
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:15,820
information that maybe for example the

926
00:46:23,010 --> 00:46:20,170
Cathars were right what is it that this

927
00:46:25,740 --> 00:46:23,020
real revelation might be and so we have

928
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:25,750
connection from Rennes le Chateau to

929
00:46:32,940 --> 00:46:29,890
hand a through this inscription and we

930
00:46:37,230 --> 00:46:32,950
have the story of Rennes le Chateau

931
00:46:39,390 --> 00:46:37,240
where something is found that yeah that

932
00:46:42,390 --> 00:46:39,400
nobody knows what it was but it was so

933
00:46:44,460 --> 00:46:42,400
important and then we have the Cathars

934
00:46:47,310 --> 00:46:44,470
and all the story the Templars and all

935
00:46:51,300 --> 00:46:47,320
the story in the Languedoc which both

936
00:46:53,610 --> 00:46:51,310
ended up with the people of these of

937
00:46:58,110 --> 00:46:53,620
these particular groups being grilled

938
00:47:03,720 --> 00:46:58,120
alive and so I wonder what was it that

939
00:47:06,300 --> 00:47:03,730
is so important that that was in in it

940
00:47:07,950 --> 00:47:06,310
must be kept secret it must be kept

941
00:47:10,110 --> 00:47:07,960
secret exactly right

942
00:47:12,030 --> 00:47:10,120
and it's just like reminiscent of even

943
00:47:13,860 --> 00:47:12,040
the secrets of the Templars of whatever

944
00:47:15,270 --> 00:47:13,870
they found on the Temple Mount and

945
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:15,280
things of that nature

946
00:47:20,750 --> 00:47:19,090
oh yeah absolutely you know Lauren when

947
00:47:23,340 --> 00:47:20,760
you were talking about that cross

948
00:47:27,240 --> 00:47:23,350
outside the church Mary Magdalene a

949
00:47:29,970 --> 00:47:27,250
tren'la Chateau I know exactly what

950
00:47:33,090 --> 00:47:29,980
you're talking about and that is right

951
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:33,100
in the middle of what Henry Lincoln

952
00:47:39,030 --> 00:47:36,610
calls the invisible Church charity

953
00:47:40,710 --> 00:47:39,040
there's a double you know there there's

954
00:47:42,660 --> 00:47:40,720
the church and then there's the

955
00:47:44,010 --> 00:47:42,670
invisible church which which is where

956
00:47:45,900 --> 00:47:44,020
that cross sits

957
00:47:47,730 --> 00:47:45,910
which I find is an interesting too

958
00:47:51,810 --> 00:47:47,740
because it's another opposite another

959
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:51,820
mirror another duality mm-hmm so what is

960
00:47:57,450 --> 00:47:54,810
it all trying to tell us it's the

961
00:48:00,540 --> 00:47:57,460
revelation themes always there and even

962
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:00,550
I found one ancestor of the ax bodies

963
00:48:09,030 --> 00:48:07,210
therein on day Jacob a body in the 17th

964
00:48:13,410 --> 00:48:09,040
century and this is maybe right around

965
00:48:15,590 --> 00:48:13,420
that time when st. Vincent's and and the

966
00:48:19,410 --> 00:48:15,600
date on the sundial there were put there

967
00:48:21,510 --> 00:48:19,420
yeah but he wrote an entire book he was

968
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:21,520
a Huguenot a Protestant he was not a

969
00:48:27,740 --> 00:48:24,810
staunch Catholic like Antoine Abadi was

970
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:27,750
but he wrote an entire book about

971
00:48:33,990 --> 00:48:32,170
revelations and I was amazed to just in

972
00:48:37,470 --> 00:48:34,000
the small parts of it that I was it was

973
00:48:40,020 --> 00:48:37,480
in in French and the translator jumbled

974
00:48:41,790 --> 00:48:40,030
it up really good but some of it I was

975
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:41,800
able to read and he even refers to

976
00:48:46,650 --> 00:48:43,690
Basilica San Vitale

977
00:48:49,410 --> 00:48:46,660
which is another millennial monument

978
00:48:51,690 --> 00:48:49,420
that I've identified that is an octagon

979
00:48:56,550 --> 00:48:51,700
and it has a mosaic of Christ

980
00:48:58,050 --> 00:48:56,560
Pantocrator holding the seven seals so

981
00:49:02,090 --> 00:48:58,060
there's some interesting connections

982
00:49:08,690 --> 00:49:02,100
there with the the revelations theme

983
00:49:12,390 --> 00:49:08,700
interesting it may be not necessarily to

984
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:12,400
frighten people but in fact he was kind

985
00:49:17,099 --> 00:49:14,650
of trying to change all that as the

986
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:17,109
Protestant he was but he was an

987
00:49:22,550 --> 00:49:19,210
interesting fellow and then later you

988
00:49:25,380 --> 00:49:22,560
see other branches of the Abadi family

989
00:49:30,720 --> 00:49:25,390
becoming the governor of French Arcadia

990
00:49:36,180 --> 00:49:30,730
the governor of Louisiana being the the

991
00:49:39,599 --> 00:49:36,190
Vizier or financier of bath nobility and

992
00:49:41,609 --> 00:49:39,609
even to the Jacobites the exiled kings

993
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:41,619
of England and Scotland who lived at

994
00:49:46,980 --> 00:49:44,530
Saint Germain and lay near Paris and

995
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:46,990
this was the the body st. Germain branch

996
00:49:51,990 --> 00:49:49,810
of the family Oh interesting oh this is

997
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:52,000
interesting also because if I don't if

998
00:49:58,270 --> 00:49:54,010
I'm not wrong the the Jacobites all

999
00:50:02,480 --> 00:49:58,280
those who gave the franc the French

1000
00:50:05,570 --> 00:50:02,490
freemasons their particular way of being

1001
00:50:08,240 --> 00:50:05,580
which is different from all the others

1002
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:08,250
yes right there was a exchange of

1003
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:10,050
information somewhat and that could be

1004
00:50:14,420 --> 00:50:11,970
also connected way back to the cutting

1005
00:50:16,820 --> 00:50:14,430
of the helm where the the Frankish

1006
00:50:18,350 --> 00:50:16,830
faction in the English faction kind of

1007
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:18,360
went their separate ways while they were

1008
00:50:24,590 --> 00:50:21,090
still very similar and then you had the

1009
00:50:26,930 --> 00:50:24,600
Kings going over the henry ii and such

1010
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:26,940
establishing england in in their mould

1011
00:50:33,020 --> 00:50:29,850
and that does lead to the Jacobites

1012
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:33,030
eventually so that that's an interesting

1013
00:50:37,310 --> 00:50:35,850
connection to other monuments like here

1014
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:37,320
in the united states that i've

1015
00:50:42,290 --> 00:50:39,330
identified that follow the same

1016
00:50:44,930 --> 00:50:42,300
tradition so it's all it all leads back

1017
00:50:48,380 --> 00:50:44,940
to france in a big way and we know that

1018
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:48,390
even scotland is heavily connected with

1019
00:50:53,390 --> 00:50:51,570
france a lot of people neglect to note

1020
00:50:55,220 --> 00:50:53,400
that but they were more allied with

1021
00:50:57,290 --> 00:50:55,230
France through much of their history

1022
00:51:01,520 --> 00:50:57,300
than England or any of the British Isles

1023
00:51:04,010 --> 00:51:01,530
and and that's noteworthy and in what

1024
00:51:06,590 --> 00:51:04,020
we're talking about and even the names

1025
00:51:10,940 --> 00:51:06,600
of the kings yeah the name James of

1026
00:51:13,550 --> 00:51:10,950
their kings comes from Santiago the the

1027
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:13,560
5th Earl of Stewart James Stewart was

1028
00:51:19,660 --> 00:51:16,890
named after Santiago and then even James

1029
00:51:23,270 --> 00:51:19,670
Douglas and the other King James as well

1030
00:51:25,220 --> 00:51:23,280
so and well just really quick one really

1031
00:51:27,350 --> 00:51:25,230
amazing thing I found was the William

1032
00:51:31,310 --> 00:51:27,360
Sinclair the creator of Rosslyn Chapel

1033
00:51:33,950 --> 00:51:31,320
was a knight to Santiago in the Octagon

1034
00:51:38,650 --> 00:51:33,960
at Santiago de Compostela points

1035
00:51:41,270 --> 00:51:38,660
directly to Rosslyn Chapel Wow so

1036
00:51:43,220 --> 00:51:41,280
there's connections and it's it's

1037
00:51:45,980 --> 00:51:43,230
interesting in light of what Falken le

1038
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:45,990
and mystery of the cathedrals is telling

1039
00:51:51,590 --> 00:51:48,450
you about Santiago de Compostella

1040
00:51:54,380 --> 00:51:51,600
and your guest last week Tim Wallace

1041
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:54,390
Murphy yeah the things he told us about

1042
00:51:59,990 --> 00:51:56,850
the paths of initiation and such it's

1043
00:52:02,660 --> 00:52:00,000
just interesting to see that people who

1044
00:52:04,790 --> 00:52:02,670
are valuing that in a similar way yeah

1045
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:04,800
I'm wondering just you know little

1046
00:52:10,850 --> 00:52:08,970
selfish curiosity here how close is this

1047
00:52:11,089 --> 00:52:10,860
location that we're talking about these

1048
00:52:16,819 --> 00:52:11,099
two

1049
00:52:20,569 --> 00:52:16,829
locations of on day and Sara to Mount

1050
00:52:25,009 --> 00:52:20,579
Randa in Spain that's just the mountain

1051
00:52:27,319 --> 00:52:25,019
that's sits above Palma I don't know

1052
00:52:29,390 --> 00:52:27,329
I've never looked into that I'd look

1053
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:29,400
search for Mount Randa when you told me

1054
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:31,650
about that but I didn't know where it

1055
00:52:36,799 --> 00:52:34,650
was and my association that I found was

1056
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:36,809
the great Cross of von de pointes to

1057
00:52:44,029 --> 00:52:41,970
Ronda right ro n da I know we just God

1058
00:52:44,599 --> 00:52:44,039
isn't it because they've been looking at

1059
00:52:50,749 --> 00:52:44,609
Randa

1060
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:50,759
because of that monastery there called

1061
00:52:57,349 --> 00:52:55,410
Our Lady of the Cure and you know again

1062
00:53:00,200 --> 00:52:57,359
you can hear any and everything but but

1063
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:00,210
I was told by Nick Heywood that every

1064
00:53:08,059 --> 00:53:05,130
initiate must pass through there all

1065
00:53:10,460 --> 00:53:08,069
right that particular monastery and and

1066
00:53:12,799 --> 00:53:10,470
one notable thing about it that I think

1067
00:53:15,709 --> 00:53:12,809
is really really interesting is that

1068
00:53:19,489 --> 00:53:15,719
there's a perpetually blooming rose bush

1069
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:19,499
there where that's interesting oh yeah I

1070
00:53:24,079 --> 00:53:21,930
heard of that yes and people claimed

1071
00:53:25,539 --> 00:53:24,089
that they you know visit this rose bush

1072
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:25,549
and experience

1073
00:53:30,650 --> 00:53:28,650
spontaneous cures all right that's

1074
00:53:32,930 --> 00:53:30,660
interesting too because the azmuth i

1075
00:53:35,959 --> 00:53:32,940
worked for mande that led to Rhonda led

1076
00:53:37,579 --> 00:53:35,969
to another very similar cross it didn't

1077
00:53:41,569 --> 00:53:37,589
have any of the inscriptions or anything

1078
00:53:46,819 --> 00:53:41,579
but it was originally in front of the

1079
00:53:49,579 --> 00:53:46,829
the sisters of the Merced Dario's in or

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00:53:52,849 --> 00:53:49,589
Our Lady of Mercy I think is the literal

1081
00:53:57,589 --> 00:53:52,859
translation in Ronda and then it was

1082
00:53:59,539 --> 00:53:57,599
moved to palacio de Salvatierra with and

1083
00:54:02,269 --> 00:53:59,549
there's really imagery all right there

1084
00:54:04,099 --> 00:54:02,279
at the Palacio that that is very similar

1085
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:04,109
to the great cross of on day there's a

1086
00:54:10,430 --> 00:54:07,890
placard there with the same circle

1087
00:54:13,959 --> 00:54:10,440
segmented without chemical symbols in it

1088
00:54:18,650 --> 00:54:13,969
and of an inscription that includes the

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00:54:19,519 --> 00:54:18,660
auspice of Maria shaped letter a how

1090
00:54:22,459 --> 00:54:19,529
interesting

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00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:22,469
yeah I could that we'll take a two-hour

1092
00:54:26,589 --> 00:54:23,650
show too

1093
00:54:29,799 --> 00:54:26,599
go into great detail about that but

1094
00:54:31,779 --> 00:54:29,809
there's also Palacio Montezuma and this

1095
00:54:34,089 --> 00:54:31,789
is what led me to start looking at the

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00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:34,099
Sun face on the Great cross and granted

1097
00:54:40,150 --> 00:54:36,890
the Sun face is fairly common in in

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00:54:42,819 --> 00:54:40,160
regions Norman's used it in in their

1099
00:54:45,039 --> 00:54:42,829
stonework and stuff but the the exact

1100
00:54:50,489 --> 00:54:45,049
form of the one on there does resemble

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00:54:53,259 --> 00:54:50,499
the Aztec Sunstone in my opinion closely

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00:54:55,479 --> 00:54:53,269
Wow you know we're gonna have to take

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00:54:58,599 --> 00:54:55,489
another break in just a moment but Kourt

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I know that you've you've you've

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released your new book right yes sacred

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towers of the Axis Mundi yeah I wanted

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to let people know how they could get it

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and so how do people find it they go to

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00:55:13,449 --> 00:55:11,269
Amazon where do they go

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00:55:15,999 --> 00:55:13,459
yes you can word search that or it's

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available at create space.com and

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00:55:21,789 --> 00:55:19,009
there's a link on my blog survival cell

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00:55:26,019 --> 00:55:21,799
dot blog spot.com that'll take you right

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00:55:29,019 --> 00:55:26,029
to the book sales right there's a sample

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of it right on the blog my survival cell

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00:55:34,150 --> 00:55:32,119
dot blog spot.com laura shared some of

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00:55:35,829 --> 00:55:34,160
her writing with me this week which i

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00:55:37,180 --> 00:55:35,839
found really interesting we might get a

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00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:37,190
little bit into that if you don't mind

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00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:39,890
laura when we come back maybe those red

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00:55:46,660 --> 00:55:42,890
hair giants that was really quiet in oh

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well absolutely alright guys well we're

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talking with Laura Lombardi in court

1228
01:01:38,930 --> 01:01:35,430
Lindell about their research and Laura's

1229
01:01:40,309 --> 01:01:38,940
recent discovery in in the South of

1230
01:01:44,089 --> 01:01:40,319
France we're talking about the great

1231
01:01:46,849 --> 01:01:44,099
cross up on day and a twin cross that

1232
01:01:49,940 --> 01:01:46,859
Laura has recently discovered in the

1233
01:01:52,430 --> 01:01:49,950
nearby town of Sarah which is kind of an

1234
01:01:56,900 --> 01:01:52,440
interesting name and brings up all kinds

1235
01:01:58,849 --> 01:01:56,910
of associations for me but you know I

1236
01:02:02,359 --> 01:01:58,859
want to get into some of Loras other

1237
01:02:04,099 --> 01:02:02,369
writing but also Laura you mentioned

1238
01:02:04,940 --> 01:02:04,109
something during the break about the

1239
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:04,950
Basque

1240
01:02:13,069 --> 01:02:10,410
a point about this region and about

1241
01:02:15,170 --> 01:02:13,079
these people and they are very unusual

1242
01:02:18,470 --> 01:02:15,180
because they're sort of origins are

1243
01:02:21,079 --> 01:02:18,480
pretty much shrouded in mystery yeah the

1244
01:02:24,410 --> 01:02:21,089
origins are not clear of the bus and the

1245
01:02:27,430 --> 01:02:24,420
language is absolutely unique it's it's

1246
01:02:32,089 --> 01:02:27,440
not connected to anything in the world

1247
01:02:36,829 --> 01:02:32,099
and also they have an abnormal amount of

1248
01:02:41,569 --> 01:02:36,839
Rh negative blood type they are

1249
01:02:45,380 --> 01:02:41,579
genetically related to the cells which

1250
01:02:47,630 --> 01:02:45,390
is very interesting and then what I find

1251
01:02:51,890 --> 01:02:47,640
very very interesting also is that there

1252
01:02:53,599 --> 01:02:51,900
are similarities with the Incas they

1253
01:02:55,750 --> 01:02:53,609
have for example like the Inca as they

1254
01:02:59,779 --> 01:02:55,760
had a Sun and a moon called

1255
01:03:03,589 --> 01:02:59,789
their religion was first of all we have

1256
01:03:07,069 --> 01:03:03,599
to say that the Basques which is they

1257
01:03:09,829 --> 01:03:07,079
call themselves whisk whisk adi which is

1258
01:03:11,150 --> 01:03:09,839
their language they are they don't

1259
01:03:13,279 --> 01:03:11,160
define themselves by

1260
01:03:15,819 --> 01:03:13,289
territory but just by language which

1261
01:03:20,870 --> 01:03:15,829
means who speaks first caddy who speaks

1262
01:03:22,849 --> 01:03:20,880
the best language is a Basque and this

1263
01:03:26,809 --> 01:03:22,859
is very different from many other people

1264
01:03:29,359 --> 01:03:26,819
and their religions were passed on

1265
01:03:32,299 --> 01:03:29,369
orally they have there's no written a

1266
01:03:35,750 --> 01:03:32,309
legend of the past but their cards were

1267
01:03:37,070 --> 01:03:35,760
similar to the Sun and Moon card of the

1268
01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:37,080
of the Incas

1269
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:39,770
and the church had a hard time with them

1270
01:03:46,610 --> 01:03:42,810
because it took lemma last a long time

1271
01:03:49,850 --> 01:03:46,620
to Christianize these people and their

1272
01:03:53,930 --> 01:03:49,860
cross they had a particular side which

1273
01:03:55,730 --> 01:03:53,940
is the the swastika and reality and they

1274
01:03:58,940 --> 01:03:55,740
said it symbolizes the perpetual

1275
01:04:01,040 --> 01:03:58,950
movement and they they have very

1276
01:04:04,220 --> 01:04:01,050
particular crosses up to the current day

1277
01:04:05,630 --> 01:04:04,230
when you go on a vast symmetry you see

1278
01:04:09,460 --> 01:04:05,640
these crosses which are very very

1279
01:04:15,230 --> 01:04:09,470
special very sometimes similar to the

1280
01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:15,240
Celtic to Celtic symbols also like the

1281
01:04:21,590 --> 01:04:18,810
Celtic tree of Celtic knot so they are

1282
01:04:24,140 --> 01:04:21,600
very special also culturally they're

1283
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:24,150
unique and I find it very interesting

1284
01:04:29,750 --> 01:04:25,890
that they are connected they're tight

1285
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:29,760
really close to the to the cells now are

1286
01:04:39,560 --> 01:04:34,410
you aware of any connection to a druid

1287
01:04:42,410 --> 01:04:39,570
connection I don't know I don't know if

1288
01:04:45,140 --> 01:04:42,420
the it was druid however we have to

1289
01:04:48,950 --> 01:04:45,150
remember that the whole area coming down

1290
01:04:53,540 --> 01:04:48,960
from Cornwall going down the whole west

1291
01:04:56,330 --> 01:04:53,550
coast of France through the well the

1292
01:04:59,180 --> 01:04:56,340
Normandy and then you have the lovely

1293
01:05:02,980 --> 01:04:59,190
Tanya and you go down until Spain in

1294
01:05:08,410 --> 01:05:02,990
Galicia where you still have Celtic

1295
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:08,420
symbols and Celtic traditions correct

1296
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:11,850
you have a lot there's a lot of markers

1297
01:05:20,570 --> 01:05:15,450
in the armour own of rennes-le-chateau

1298
01:05:23,150 --> 01:05:20,580
a lot of Celtic or Celtic markers you

1299
01:05:25,820 --> 01:05:23,160
know manures dolmens and things like

1300
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:25,830
that right and around Sarah there that

1301
01:05:32,150 --> 01:05:29,370
is famous for that ah for the megalithic

1302
01:05:34,730 --> 01:05:32,160
the dolmens and there's some very famous

1303
01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:34,740
caves there too that one even cludes a

1304
01:05:43,610 --> 01:05:38,450
huge carving of a bear that are that are

1305
01:05:45,620 --> 01:05:43,620
from from the I believe the Iron Age so

1306
01:05:48,410 --> 01:05:45,630
that's a very interesting correlation -

1307
01:05:52,970 --> 01:05:48,420
yes I mean this is it

1308
01:05:54,890 --> 01:05:52,980
fascinating area for some reason you

1309
01:05:56,930 --> 01:05:54,900
know as Tim Wallace Murphy last week on

1310
01:06:00,610 --> 01:05:56,940
this show was pointing out you know this

1311
01:06:05,270 --> 01:06:00,620
has been a place where people have come

1312
01:06:07,010 --> 01:06:05,280
over centuries in over millennia people

1313
01:06:11,420 --> 01:06:07,020
have come to this place you know the

1314
01:06:13,610 --> 01:06:11,430
Druids the Sufis you know all kind the

1315
01:06:16,850 --> 01:06:13,620
Templars all kinds of different

1316
01:06:18,890 --> 01:06:16,860
philosophies obviously the Cathars and

1317
01:06:22,700 --> 01:06:18,900
you know other so-called Christian

1318
01:06:25,700 --> 01:06:22,710
heretics but they came to this area and

1319
01:06:26,570 --> 01:06:25,710
they live together in peace and they had

1320
01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:26,580
no problem

1321
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:29,490
there was something about this place

1322
01:06:34,790 --> 01:06:32,010
that is such a draw I don't know if it

1323
01:06:38,810 --> 01:06:34,800
has something to do with the you know

1324
01:06:41,090 --> 01:06:38,820
the the pilgrims path to Compostela I

1325
01:06:43,790 --> 01:06:41,100
don't know if it has something to do

1326
01:06:46,370 --> 01:06:43,800
with the telluric energy of the area or

1327
01:06:49,160 --> 01:06:46,380
with the water in the area which seems

1328
01:06:51,230 --> 01:06:49,170
to have some unusual properties but it

1329
01:06:53,210 --> 01:06:51,240
does seem to be a very very special

1330
01:06:56,240 --> 01:06:53,220
place and like you say court it seems to

1331
01:06:59,900 --> 01:06:56,250
always things always seem to point back

1332
01:07:03,350 --> 01:06:59,910
to France yes do you find that too long

1333
01:07:05,660 --> 01:07:03,360
that yes it is also because Hendaye is

1334
01:07:08,900 --> 01:07:05,670
actually in Aquitania and it's also a

1335
01:07:11,030 --> 01:07:08,910
very mysterious region exactly like the

1336
01:07:15,140 --> 01:07:11,040
Languedoc where with lots of historical

1337
01:07:15,830 --> 01:07:15,150
events and mysteries and France has

1338
01:07:22,510 --> 01:07:15,840
something

1339
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:22,520
yeah it's true the Scottish could tell

1340
01:07:28,820 --> 01:07:26,130
they love the French even you know

1341
01:07:30,830 --> 01:07:28,830
jamesdouglas a lot of the more famous

1342
01:07:33,110 --> 01:07:30,840
Scottish names you read about we're all

1343
01:07:35,630 --> 01:07:33,120
educated there Sir Francis Bacon was

1344
01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:35,640
educated there Thomas Jefferson it's

1345
01:07:40,730 --> 01:07:37,530
been a great deal of time Benjamin

1346
01:07:42,920 --> 01:07:40,740
Franklin yeah John Adams there's two of

1347
01:07:47,180 --> 01:07:42,930
our first earliest presidents right

1348
01:07:50,420 --> 01:07:47,190
there yeah yeah lots of you know lots of

1349
01:07:54,470 --> 01:07:50,430
writers and artists and you know as you

1350
01:07:56,870 --> 01:07:54,480
said leading political figures you know

1351
01:07:59,780 --> 01:07:56,880
they always seem to have gone and spent

1352
01:08:01,340 --> 01:07:59,790
their time in France and they don't seem

1353
01:08:02,309 --> 01:08:01,350
to have had some kind of alcohol

1354
01:08:03,839 --> 01:08:02,319
connection

1355
01:08:08,609 --> 01:08:03,849
by our cult I mean you know hidden

1356
01:08:11,849 --> 01:08:08,619
connections with different groups and in

1357
01:08:13,739 --> 01:08:11,859
people there that are known in part of

1358
01:08:16,579 --> 01:08:13,749
you know to be a part of this mystery so

1359
01:08:19,859 --> 01:08:16,589
it is it is really really interesting

1360
01:08:21,809 --> 01:08:19,869
you know how it comes to our founding

1361
01:08:23,879 --> 01:08:21,819
fathers here in the United States having

1362
01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:23,889
all these connections you know back to

1363
01:08:29,939 --> 01:08:27,130
France back to secret societies and and

1364
01:08:31,769 --> 01:08:29,949
I guess probably no matter where you're

1365
01:08:33,300 --> 01:08:31,779
from you might end up finding that I

1366
01:08:35,129 --> 01:08:33,310
mean we find that court because we're

1367
01:08:39,749 --> 01:08:35,139
from the United States but Laura says

1368
01:08:41,819 --> 01:08:39,759
she can see that too so it's it all

1369
01:08:44,930 --> 01:08:41,829
roads lead to Rome or is it all roads

1370
01:08:48,950 --> 01:08:44,940
lead to France you know I don't know

1371
01:08:53,999 --> 01:08:48,960
well I think it might be even too

1372
01:08:57,180 --> 01:08:54,009
opposed ends off of the same research or

1373
01:08:59,700 --> 01:08:57,190
the same philosophy or whatever it is

1374
01:09:01,950 --> 01:08:59,710
maybe not a case oh not another not by

1375
01:09:05,819 --> 01:09:01,960
chance at France is actually the only

1376
01:09:09,780 --> 01:09:05,829
worldly nation in the world it is

1377
01:09:12,539 --> 01:09:09,790
completely not religious they don't they

1378
01:09:17,039 --> 01:09:12,549
are many Catholics but they don't define

1379
01:09:19,229 --> 01:09:17,049
themselves a religious country and they

1380
01:09:21,930 --> 01:09:19,239
they they are just world with worldly

1381
01:09:23,729 --> 01:09:21,940
state it's even like for example Germany

1382
01:09:27,030 --> 01:09:23,739
is also what we say but it's not the

1383
01:09:31,079 --> 01:09:27,040
same thing so they're the only people

1384
01:09:34,709 --> 01:09:31,089
and they're Freemasons are I don't know

1385
01:09:36,749 --> 01:09:34,719
if they they they are atheist but they

1386
01:09:39,209 --> 01:09:36,759
they're different from all the others

1387
01:09:43,530 --> 01:09:39,219
the Freemasons in France and they are

1388
01:09:46,379 --> 01:09:43,540
very strong I hope I was surprised going

1389
01:09:50,579 --> 01:09:46,389
to France often how strong Freemasons

1390
01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:50,589
are in France and what they are able to

1391
01:09:56,700 --> 01:09:54,730
achieve locally and everything and one

1392
01:09:57,990 --> 01:09:56,710
day and also the Templars what was very

1393
01:10:00,270 --> 01:09:58,000
interesting that one day I had always

1394
01:10:04,589 --> 01:10:00,280
seen coming from knees going to

1395
01:10:08,100 --> 01:10:04,599
Marseilles sign that there was a Templar

1396
01:10:10,169 --> 01:10:08,110
s Templars castle somewhere and we went

1397
01:10:13,169 --> 01:10:10,179
to search for the simplest castle and it

1398
01:10:14,819 --> 01:10:13,179
was like if people did not want as so

1399
01:10:15,850 --> 01:10:14,829
tell where it was and when we finally

1400
01:10:17,590 --> 01:10:15,860
found it and

1401
01:10:19,090 --> 01:10:17,600
was actually not so hidden but it was

1402
01:10:22,120 --> 01:10:19,100
difficult to find if you didn't know

1403
01:10:24,959 --> 01:10:22,130
where to go we went there and

1404
01:10:27,609 --> 01:10:24,969
immediately someone guy came with a

1405
01:10:29,320 --> 01:10:27,619
motorbike and he said what you're doing

1406
01:10:31,390 --> 01:10:29,330
here and he was trying he was giving us

1407
01:10:34,300 --> 01:10:31,400
some clues he wanted to know who we are

1408
01:10:36,100 --> 01:10:34,310
and we understood that he was talking

1409
01:10:37,300 --> 01:10:36,110
codes but we couldn't answer them

1410
01:10:39,100 --> 01:10:37,310
because we didn't even know what he was

1411
01:10:41,649 --> 01:10:39,110
talking about but it was very

1412
01:10:43,930 --> 01:10:41,659
interesting because those there is

1413
01:10:47,140 --> 01:10:43,940
something behind all this still and

1414
01:10:50,620 --> 01:10:47,150
there they are still Templars and you

1415
01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:50,630
see the the flags the Templars flags and

1416
01:10:56,109 --> 01:10:52,850
certain places in France they're still

1417
01:10:58,060 --> 01:10:56,119
there they put them out it's like as if

1418
01:11:00,040 --> 01:10:58,070
there were communities who enter

1419
01:11:05,620 --> 01:11:00,050
communities living under the science

1420
01:11:09,490 --> 01:11:05,630
though Wow friends yes someone in the

1421
01:11:13,330 --> 01:11:09,500
chat room is asking about the that did

1422
01:11:19,450 --> 01:11:13,340
you mention that the vast population has

1423
01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:19,460
a large proportion of Rh blood types Rh

1424
01:11:26,979 --> 01:11:20,090
negative

1425
01:11:28,660 --> 01:11:26,989
you know you hear that you know when

1426
01:11:31,390 --> 01:11:28,670
you're hearing about you know special

1427
01:11:34,720 --> 01:11:31,400
bloodlines and and things like that you

1428
01:11:39,520 --> 01:11:34,730
often hear that about that Rh negative

1429
01:11:41,470 --> 01:11:39,530
factor do you attach any significance to

1430
01:11:45,250 --> 01:11:41,480
that or do you have any ideas about that

1431
01:11:46,750 --> 01:11:45,260
lar this is a very difficult question

1432
01:11:49,780 --> 01:11:46,760
because there are two possible

1433
01:11:53,439 --> 01:11:49,790
approaches one is the the question of

1434
01:11:55,930 --> 01:11:53,449
our heritage and especially in Europe

1435
01:11:58,479 --> 01:11:55,940
where we had the Neanderthals and the

1436
01:12:00,399 --> 01:11:58,489
cro-magnon people yeah and to wonder

1437
01:12:02,830 --> 01:12:00,409
because the cro-magnons were supposed to

1438
01:12:05,500 --> 01:12:02,840
be our ends a real ancestors and all not

1439
01:12:09,729 --> 01:12:05,510
my not a long time ago and then lots of

1440
01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:09,739
findings pointed to the possibility that

1441
01:12:14,470 --> 01:12:11,690
it was not like that that Neanderthals

1442
01:12:16,840 --> 01:12:14,480
was had a much more important role in

1443
01:12:19,629 --> 01:12:16,850
our development and there are people who

1444
01:12:21,879 --> 01:12:19,639
say that the Basques are descendants

1445
01:12:25,149 --> 01:12:21,889
from the Neanderthals like others so

1446
01:12:29,649 --> 01:12:25,159
this is one approach just to look up or

1447
01:12:31,870 --> 01:12:29,659
our heritage and possible migrations

1448
01:12:34,830 --> 01:12:31,880
and of course the other there are many

1449
01:12:39,310 --> 01:12:34,840
people who think that this is a sign of

1450
01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:39,320
extraterrestrial origin and of special

1451
01:12:47,439 --> 01:12:43,850
races on earth which is well which is

1452
01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:47,449
also a possibility I don't know yeah I

1453
01:12:54,310 --> 01:12:49,730
think it is what is very strange is that

1454
01:12:56,410 --> 01:12:54,320
there is this Rh negative blood type and

1455
01:12:58,030 --> 01:12:56,420
it's still there and that there is a

1456
01:13:01,360 --> 01:12:58,040
population that has this Rh negative

1457
01:13:03,729 --> 01:13:01,370
blood type which is not compatible in

1458
01:13:07,419 --> 01:13:03,739
certain cases between mother child this

1459
01:13:10,930 --> 01:13:07,429
is I think very strange yes yes I know I

1460
01:13:13,270 --> 01:13:10,940
remember you know years ago in the

1461
01:13:16,750 --> 01:13:13,280
United States when babies were born with

1462
01:13:19,330 --> 01:13:16,760
Rh negative a lot of times they were

1463
01:13:22,270 --> 01:13:19,340
called blue babies and they had to give

1464
01:13:25,149 --> 01:13:22,280
them a complete blood transfusion at

1465
01:13:27,939 --> 01:13:25,159
birth in order for them to live they

1466
01:13:30,240 --> 01:13:27,949
were like sickly and I you know I'm

1467
01:13:32,439 --> 01:13:30,250
gonna have to look into that idea and

1468
01:13:33,580 --> 01:13:32,449
see what that was all about but I

1469
01:13:36,129 --> 01:13:33,590
remember there was like a celebrity

1470
01:13:38,320 --> 01:13:36,139
couple you know I read about that had a

1471
01:13:40,810 --> 01:13:38,330
blue baby and I was like a little girl

1472
01:13:44,200 --> 01:13:40,820
when I read about it it was I was so

1473
01:13:46,240 --> 01:13:44,210
fascinated by that but now that Rh

1474
01:13:48,850 --> 01:13:46,250
factor negative factor would be really

1475
01:13:50,830 --> 01:13:48,860
interesting to look into a little bit

1476
01:13:53,290 --> 01:13:50,840
more now I wanted to get just a little

1477
01:13:55,180 --> 01:13:53,300
bit into some of your other research

1478
01:13:57,490 --> 01:13:55,190
into the red haired people I think I'm

1479
01:14:00,520 --> 01:13:57,500
miscoded by saying red hair Giants but

1480
01:14:05,370 --> 01:14:00,530
it was red haired people's and their

1481
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:05,380
relationship to certain other cultures

1482
01:14:10,810 --> 01:14:09,530
well this research I researched a little

1483
01:14:13,149 --> 01:14:10,820
bit about this and because I was

1484
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:13,159
interested in finding out where it came

1485
01:14:16,570 --> 01:14:14,810
from and something that really caught my

1486
01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:16,580
attention was then when they did this

1487
01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:19,850
DNA analysis of to today and to thank a

1488
01:14:25,450 --> 01:14:21,770
moon and they found out that he was

1489
01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:25,460
related to yeah actually also to the to

1490
01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:27,050
the European northern especially

1491
01:14:33,550 --> 01:14:28,610
northern European people especially to

1492
01:14:34,689 --> 01:14:33,560
the British people and so I researched a

1493
01:14:36,720 --> 01:14:34,699
little bit about this and I found out

1494
01:14:40,390 --> 01:14:36,730
that there were lots of red haired

1495
01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:40,400
people also in the past and that the red

1496
01:14:46,610 --> 01:14:42,690
haired people have a very particular

1497
01:14:48,920 --> 01:14:46,620
is also in mythology and history and I

1498
01:14:52,580 --> 01:14:48,930
try to find a little bit good to find

1499
01:14:56,830 --> 01:14:52,590
out a little bit more about this and so

1500
01:14:59,630 --> 01:14:56,840
I found a connection from the red-haired

1501
01:15:02,240 --> 01:14:59,640
mythology and red-haired people that

1502
01:15:08,540 --> 01:15:02,250
goes to the legend of Atlantis very

1503
01:15:17,450 --> 01:15:08,550
often yeah do you have an idea where

1504
01:15:21,530 --> 01:15:17,460
Atlantis was no well you know you know

1505
01:15:25,040 --> 01:15:21,540
what I have there's something I thought

1506
01:15:27,229 --> 01:15:25,050
for myself I might have read this

1507
01:15:31,090 --> 01:15:27,239
somewhere but it is I think it is very a

1508
01:15:34,459 --> 01:15:31,100
very interesting hypothesis that

1509
01:15:37,850 --> 01:15:34,469
Atlantis was something that existed

1510
01:15:41,810 --> 01:15:37,860
during Ice Age and therefore was a place

1511
01:15:47,420 --> 01:15:41,820
that was built in parts in Parratt on on

1512
01:15:50,479 --> 01:15:47,430
eyes and that existed because Plato said

1513
01:15:52,520 --> 01:15:50,489
it was outside the columns of Heracles

1514
01:15:53,030 --> 01:15:52,530
which would be Gibraltar if I'm not

1515
01:15:56,660 --> 01:15:53,040
wrong

1516
01:15:59,090 --> 01:15:56,670
and so maybe there there was something

1517
01:16:02,030 --> 01:15:59,100
also the description of all this these

1518
01:16:04,490 --> 01:16:02,040
crystals and this brilliant something

1519
01:16:06,740 --> 01:16:04,500
that sparkles and the Sun and and all

1520
01:16:08,180 --> 01:16:06,750
this maybe they they build something

1521
01:16:09,560 --> 01:16:08,190
with ice

1522
01:16:13,250 --> 01:16:09,570
you know maybe they had this huge

1523
01:16:15,320 --> 01:16:13,260
territory they had occupied and then it

1524
01:16:18,050 --> 01:16:15,330
just melted down when the Ice Age

1525
01:16:21,290 --> 01:16:18,060
finished this is a possibility but I

1526
01:16:24,680 --> 01:16:21,300
don't know whether it existed at all I

1527
01:16:26,060 --> 01:16:24,690
honestly I do believe Atlantis existed

1528
01:16:27,530 --> 01:16:26,070
but I don't know where another

1529
01:16:30,439 --> 01:16:27,540
possibility is that it was something

1530
01:16:33,100 --> 01:16:30,449
between Europe and the Americas which

1531
01:16:37,280 --> 01:16:33,110
went into the ocean and the survivors

1532
01:16:39,860 --> 01:16:37,290
went to both came to both coasts the

1533
01:16:41,930 --> 01:16:39,870
American and the maybe the African the

1534
01:16:43,550 --> 01:16:41,940
North African coast and northern

1535
01:16:45,590 --> 01:16:43,560
European coast so this is why we have

1536
01:16:48,370 --> 01:16:45,600
similarities and in several things

1537
01:16:52,700 --> 01:16:48,380
culturally sometimes with but you know

1538
01:16:55,430 --> 01:16:52,710
it's all absolutely hypothesis a lot of

1539
01:16:56,600 --> 01:16:55,440
theories that say the were Seville in

1540
01:17:01,100 --> 01:16:56,610
Spain

1541
01:17:04,310 --> 01:17:01,110
in that area some people think may have

1542
01:17:08,030 --> 01:17:04,320
been Atlantis somehow and that includes

1543
01:17:13,580 --> 01:17:08,040
Rhonda by the way they're wrong so her

1544
01:17:15,410 --> 01:17:13,590
down in Mexico I think down in the area

1545
01:17:19,040 --> 01:17:15,420
I can't remember the name of the area

1546
01:17:21,230 --> 01:17:19,050
but sort of the Mayan country down there

1547
01:17:23,630 --> 01:17:21,240
I think I think that was Edgar Cayce

1548
01:17:26,420 --> 01:17:23,640
that sort of placed Atlantis in that

1549
01:17:30,530 --> 01:17:26,430
area but you know I guess nobody's

1550
01:17:33,590 --> 01:17:30,540
figured it out yet Mexico City resembled

1551
01:17:35,720 --> 01:17:33,600
the descriptions at least with the city

1552
01:17:37,550 --> 01:17:35,730
in the middle of the lake with circular

1553
01:17:40,700 --> 01:17:37,560
you know things around it and everything

1554
01:17:43,640 --> 01:17:40,710
so when Cortes found it that's what they

1555
01:17:46,550 --> 01:17:43,650
wrote about but that's just a visual of

1556
01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:46,560
you know physical similarity and that my

1557
01:17:50,480 --> 01:17:48,810
baby where that ends but it's also

1558
01:17:53,270 --> 01:17:50,490
interesting these similarities of

1559
01:17:55,370 --> 01:17:53,280
cultures like you know you notice Laura

1560
01:17:59,630 --> 01:17:55,380
that there was something that looked

1561
01:18:04,400 --> 01:17:59,640
distinctively incan on the cross that on

1562
01:18:07,430 --> 01:18:04,410
day and we find that you know sort of

1563
01:18:12,350 --> 01:18:07,440
this cross-cultural information seems to

1564
01:18:14,690 --> 01:18:12,360
somehow have gotten around the world you

1565
01:18:17,030 --> 01:18:14,700
know similar cultures have similar

1566
01:18:19,700 --> 01:18:17,040
beliefs they sort of all a lot of them

1567
01:18:22,160 --> 01:18:19,710
have this flood story a lot of them have

1568
01:18:26,600 --> 01:18:22,170
this you know story that sounds like the

1569
01:18:30,710 --> 01:18:26,610
Annunaki story and it's just odd that

1570
01:18:34,100 --> 01:18:30,720
these ancient peoples would be saying

1571
01:18:38,480 --> 01:18:34,110
the same things showing the same images

1572
01:18:42,650 --> 01:18:38,490
of course the symbols are similar and it

1573
01:18:45,800 --> 01:18:42,660
is also interesting that there are a lot

1574
01:18:47,960 --> 01:18:45,810
of Native American legends that say that

1575
01:18:51,500 --> 01:18:47,970
when their ancestors came to the

1576
01:18:53,740 --> 01:18:51,510
Americas they found or an already

1577
01:18:56,920 --> 01:18:53,750
existing population on the continent

1578
01:19:02,960 --> 01:18:56,930
which they described as mythical beings

1579
01:19:07,820 --> 01:19:02,970
and so you know did they have red hair

1580
01:19:09,920 --> 01:19:07,830
by any chance no no but if you think

1581
01:19:13,370 --> 01:19:09,930
about the the Viracocha legend

1582
01:19:15,680 --> 01:19:13,380
he's definitely European people and

1583
01:19:17,740 --> 01:19:15,690
there he supposedly had red hair or in a

1584
01:19:24,530 --> 01:19:17,750
lot of the descriptions and Quetzalcoatl

1585
01:19:27,710 --> 01:19:24,540
also write very very interesting very

1586
01:19:29,360 --> 01:19:27,720
strange because how would how would the

1587
01:19:33,260 --> 01:19:29,370
Incas and how would you the native

1588
01:19:36,080 --> 01:19:33,270
peoples of of America describe a

1589
01:19:38,120 --> 01:19:36,090
European if they had never seen one or a

1590
01:19:39,890 --> 01:19:38,130
red-haired person when they had never

1591
01:19:44,600 --> 01:19:39,900
seen one and also something else that

1592
01:19:46,670 --> 01:19:44,610
they were all all these dis legends the

1593
01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:46,680
Quetzalcoatl Viracocha and all these

1594
01:19:51,140 --> 01:19:48,570
legend people are waiting for this

1595
01:19:56,960 --> 01:19:51,150
person or this God or this godlike

1596
01:19:59,510 --> 01:19:56,970
figure to come back from the ocean and

1597
01:20:04,370 --> 01:19:59,520
they all vanished in the ocean like the

1598
01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:04,380
mirror of Amiens exactly yeah and then

1599
01:20:07,670 --> 01:20:05,850
now the mayor of engines were supposed

1600
01:20:10,700 --> 01:20:07,680
supposedly red-haired isn't that correct

1601
01:20:13,970 --> 01:20:10,710
absolutely yeah so that's another

1602
01:20:15,980 --> 01:20:13,980
interesting connection was it the mayor

1603
01:20:17,840 --> 01:20:15,990
of vinci is or was it someone else who

1604
01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:17,850
had red hair and had some kind of a

1605
01:20:24,140 --> 01:20:20,970
birthmark on their shoulder did you hear

1606
01:20:26,600 --> 01:20:24,150
anything about that you know I might

1607
01:20:34,550 --> 01:20:26,610
have the wrong group I haven't heard

1608
01:20:38,750 --> 01:20:34,560
that one but remember that when I was

1609
01:20:41,450 --> 01:20:38,760
researching for the my film bloodline we

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01:20:45,170 --> 01:20:41,460
ran across that sort of phenomenon oh I

1611
01:20:48,770 --> 01:20:45,180
wouldn't doubt it it fits - well what

1612
01:20:50,630 --> 01:20:48,780
Laura was saying the the whole story of

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01:20:53,030 --> 01:20:50,640
the mayor of Amiens and the Queen ATAR

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01:20:55,880 --> 01:20:53,040
and everything coming from the sea and

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01:20:59,750 --> 01:20:55,890
in the even interesting that the word

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01:21:09,530 --> 01:20:59,760
mayor means sea as well correct and in

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01:21:12,320 --> 01:21:09,540
French right mirror in French yeah and

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01:21:14,150 --> 01:21:12,330
there's there's also often very often

1619
01:21:17,780 --> 01:21:14,160
been made a link between the past land

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01:21:21,800 --> 01:21:17,790
and Atlantis this is also here yeah it

1621
01:21:23,229 --> 01:21:21,810
makes sense in all the legends of Queens

1622
01:21:26,080 --> 01:21:23,239
Kota

1623
01:21:28,089 --> 01:21:26,090
is the namesake of Scotland associated

1624
01:21:31,779 --> 01:21:28,099
with that region of northern Spain and

1625
01:21:33,279 --> 01:21:31,789
Galicia as well in the whole Celtic

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01:21:38,439 --> 01:21:33,289
connection that you were speaking about

1627
01:21:42,069 --> 01:21:38,449
before yes exactly find interesting is

1628
01:21:46,479 --> 01:21:42,079
that there's this the story of the of

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01:21:50,439 --> 01:21:46,489
the Templars who might have been able to

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01:21:53,350 --> 01:21:50,449
escape a few of them with the what what

1631
01:21:57,279 --> 01:21:53,360
what was supposed treasure and then they

1632
01:22:00,399 --> 01:21:57,289
went to La Rochelle and they sailed away

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01:22:02,290 --> 01:22:00,409
towards West and what is interesting is

1634
01:22:06,040 --> 01:22:02,300
that they are believed to have either

1635
01:22:09,910 --> 01:22:06,050
been good so I have arrived at the

1636
01:22:12,370 --> 01:22:09,920
American course or in Scotland right

1637
01:22:14,620 --> 01:22:12,380
then that could influence the native

1638
01:22:18,399 --> 01:22:14,630
people as well at an irwe or earlier

1639
01:22:20,350 --> 01:22:18,409
date and history tells us exactly and

1640
01:22:24,160 --> 01:22:20,360
there's also other bands of missing

1641
01:22:26,529 --> 01:22:24,170
Scotsman in history to that note you

1642
01:22:29,859 --> 01:22:26,539
know that like the Battle of Taba that

1643
01:22:32,430 --> 01:22:29,869
covered that my book where Scots Nobles

1644
01:22:36,009 --> 01:22:32,440
including Sinclair's and James Douglas

1645
01:22:38,319 --> 01:22:36,019
in a kind of fairy tale story were

1646
01:22:40,180 --> 01:22:38,329
killed and it's easy to imagine that

1647
01:22:41,859 --> 01:22:40,190
they survived and did something else

1648
01:22:44,439 --> 01:22:41,869
anonymously that could have included

1649
01:22:49,209 --> 01:22:44,449
something such as what you're talking

1650
01:22:52,029 --> 01:22:49,219
about exactly so there's all kinds of

1651
01:22:54,069 --> 01:22:52,039
possibilities out there and it is kind

1652
01:22:56,609 --> 01:22:54,079
of silly to assume that people didn't

1653
01:22:59,169 --> 01:22:56,619
travel across the Atlantic Ocean for

1654
01:23:02,109 --> 01:22:59,179
until Columbus I mean Columbus was the

1655
01:23:05,620 --> 01:23:02,119
first one to actually claim it I believe

1656
01:23:07,239 --> 01:23:05,630
in a way that everybody agreed on that

1657
01:23:09,609 --> 01:23:07,249
they all knew other people had been

1658
01:23:11,200 --> 01:23:09,619
there and and they also established a

1659
01:23:13,419 --> 01:23:11,210
permanent presence - and that's

1660
01:23:16,629 --> 01:23:13,429
important and probably from a legal

1661
01:23:21,100 --> 01:23:16,639
standpoint by the way guys they just

1662
01:23:23,290 --> 01:23:21,110
found that the Phillip Gardiner talks

1663
01:23:24,939 --> 01:23:23,300
about the mayor of Indians with their

1664
01:23:27,430 --> 01:23:24,949
long red hair and their special

1665
01:23:31,330 --> 01:23:27,440
birthmark between their shoulders of a

1666
01:23:33,549 --> 01:23:31,340
red cross interesting I didn't know that

1667
01:23:34,839 --> 01:23:33,559
I'd knew the red hair but I didn't know

1668
01:23:36,050 --> 01:23:34,849
about the red cross between the

1669
01:23:39,590 --> 01:23:36,060
shoulders

1670
01:23:42,520 --> 01:23:39,600
and also the tribe of Benjamin was said

1671
01:23:43,760 --> 01:23:42,530
to have had a red cross between their

1672
01:23:46,010 --> 01:23:43,770
shoulders

1673
01:23:48,080 --> 01:23:46,020
I guess that's same as the mayor of

1674
01:23:50,480 --> 01:23:48,090
Indians I guess sir that we're from the

1675
01:23:55,340 --> 01:23:50,490
tribe of Benjamin and they're associated

1676
01:23:58,580 --> 01:23:55,350
by some to Arcadia the actual red-haired

1677
01:24:01,550 --> 01:23:58,590
was the type of town if I don't if I

1678
01:24:08,990 --> 01:24:01,560
don't I'm LeBron oh that's interesting

1679
01:24:12,260 --> 01:24:09,000
I'll have to look that up it's so hard

1680
01:24:16,580 --> 01:24:12,270
to unravel so many layers and over so

1681
01:24:19,520 --> 01:24:16,590
much time you know all these all these

1682
01:24:22,100 --> 01:24:19,530
family names all these different

1683
01:24:25,880 --> 01:24:22,110
generations and all these things it's

1684
01:24:28,040 --> 01:24:25,890
it's really too much for one researcher

1685
01:24:30,710 --> 01:24:28,050
to ferret out all this information so

1686
01:24:34,040 --> 01:24:30,720
it's wonderful to have people like you

1687
01:24:35,720 --> 01:24:34,050
out there really helping us all out by

1688
01:24:37,490 --> 01:24:35,730
turning up new information on these

1689
01:24:39,790 --> 01:24:37,500
subjects that we're also interested in

1690
01:24:41,690 --> 01:24:39,800
and I certainly want to thank you both

1691
01:24:44,060 --> 01:24:41,700
for coming on the show tonight

1692
01:24:47,350 --> 01:24:44,070
especially you Laura for coming on this

1693
01:24:50,810 --> 01:24:47,360
early Friday morning for you in Berlin

1694
01:24:53,810 --> 01:24:50,820
much better than I thought you sound

1695
01:25:00,230 --> 01:24:53,820
completely wide awake and alert so you

1696
01:25:01,790 --> 01:25:00,240
did a wonderful job and I want to in

1697
01:25:05,090 --> 01:25:01,800
court you know it's always a pleasure

1698
01:25:06,860 --> 01:25:05,100
you know to have you back on and I hope

1699
01:25:10,340 --> 01:25:06,870
you'll keep on trucking with your work

1700
01:25:13,670 --> 01:25:10,350
both of you guys and keep us all posted

1701
01:25:16,370 --> 01:25:13,680
right I have another book almost ready

1702
01:25:17,990 --> 01:25:16,380
to go about on day and that will involve

1703
01:25:20,270 --> 01:25:18,000
some of this well we've been speaking

1704
01:25:22,520 --> 01:25:20,280
about yeah Laura hope see you writing

1705
01:25:25,100 --> 01:25:22,530
something about this discovery and

1706
01:25:27,500 --> 01:25:25,110
putting out this information for all the

1707
01:25:29,360 --> 01:25:27,510
rest of us researchers out there that

1708
01:25:32,840 --> 01:25:29,370
are looking into these matters it'd be

1709
01:25:35,270 --> 01:25:32,850
wonderful to have that okay yeah we're

1710
01:25:37,640 --> 01:25:35,280
looking forward to seeing it absolutely

1711
01:25:40,400 --> 01:25:37,650
yeah in your peers and everything would

1712
01:25:43,760 --> 01:25:40,410
be wonderful it could also be a fourth

1713
01:25:48,690 --> 01:25:43,770
part of my of my Atlantis and red-haired

1714
01:25:50,760 --> 01:25:48,700
ways series yes and which are also

1715
01:25:52,950 --> 01:25:50,770
mind I posted the links to those

1716
01:25:55,680 --> 01:25:52,960
articles to those well I think there's

1717
01:25:57,450 --> 01:25:55,690
four parts in the chatroom so that

1718
01:26:00,030 --> 01:25:57,460
everyone could see what we were talking

1719
01:26:01,740 --> 01:26:00,040
about and can look at it later and read

1720
01:26:04,650 --> 01:26:01,750
it for themselves it's very interesting

1721
01:26:06,300 --> 01:26:04,660
material thanks again everybody and

1722
01:26:07,980 --> 01:26:06,310
thanks all you guys for listening I hope

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01:26:11,100 --> 01:26:07,990
you join us next week for another